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	<title>Comments on: Nothing about accessibility at AnEventApart 2009?</title>
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	<description>including people with intellectual disabilities in the WWW</description>
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		<title>By: User-Centered Design and Web Accessibility Blog - AniktoBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Web Accessibility Efforts Fail</title>
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		<dc:creator>User-Centered Design and Web Accessibility Blog - AniktoBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Web Accessibility Efforts Fail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be in the technological messages delivered to Web designers and developers. According to a review of the An Event Apart (AEA) conference in Chicago recently held last week, there are opportunities to globally disambiguate the connection between [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might be in the technological messages delivered to Web designers and developers. According to a review of the An Event Apart (AEA) conference in Chicago recently held last week, there are opportunities to globally disambiguate the connection between [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.inclusivenewmedia.org/blog/613/blog/nothing-about-accessibility-at-aneventapart-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points. I too find there&#039;s a misconception that standards-based web design = accessible website, and unfortunately for many designers (encouraged by an almost obsessive desire to get green ticks &amp; no warning/error messages in the validators), assume that once their site validates to the standards, they must also have done the job with accessibility too. Places like An Event Apart are the right stage to get the message across that good accessibility (&#039;real world&#039; accessibility) goes beyond using web standards and getting sites to validate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points. I too find there&#8217;s a misconception that standards-based web design = accessible website, and unfortunately for many designers (encouraged by an almost obsessive desire to get green ticks &amp; no warning/error messages in the validators), assume that once their site validates to the standards, they must also have done the job with accessibility too. Places like An Event Apart are the right stage to get the message across that good accessibility (&#8217;real world&#8217; accessibility) goes beyond using web standards and getting sites to validate.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Helen—thanks for being there and for the write-up!  I think you&#039;re right on about accessibility being woven into the very fabric of the talks.  It&#039;s basically reached the point of a given with us and our audience, just as with standards.  We have had (and likely will again have) talks specifically about accessibility.  It just didn&#039;t happen this time around.

In my case, for example, I wouldn&#039;t say that I couldn&#039;t avoid accessibility in my talk.  I wouldn&#039;t ever want to avoid it.  In part, what I wanted to show was that JS is a tool that can cut both ways, and that we nee to be careful with it, but that we shouldn&#039;t shun it entirely.  JS has gotten a little bit of a &quot;no accessibility here&quot; reputation, and like Derek Featherstone, I&#039;d like to show that&#039;s not entirely the case.

Also, I think addressing intellectual disabilities is a LOT harder than other types.  As a sighted, physically able person, I can approximate for a little while what it&#039;s like to be blind (close my eyes) or paralyzed (force myself to sit still).  No, these are not exact matches, but I can use those techniques to help imagine and empathize with those conditions.

But there&#039;s no way I know of to even begin to simulate cognitive disability.  I can&#039;t even really imagine what it&#039;s like to be less (or even more) intellectually capable than I am.  That&#039;s the extra challenge I think ID advocates face, and what a Web Accessibility Project could help promote.  In that vein, I&#039;m looking forward to what INMD produces along those lines: it&#039;s important, and the more insight you can give us, the better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Helen—thanks for being there and for the write-up!  I think you&#8217;re right on about accessibility being woven into the very fabric of the talks.  It&#8217;s basically reached the point of a given with us and our audience, just as with standards.  We have had (and likely will again have) talks specifically about accessibility.  It just didn&#8217;t happen this time around.</p>
<p>In my case, for example, I wouldn&#8217;t say that I couldn&#8217;t avoid accessibility in my talk.  I wouldn&#8217;t ever want to avoid it.  In part, what I wanted to show was that JS is a tool that can cut both ways, and that we nee to be careful with it, but that we shouldn&#8217;t shun it entirely.  JS has gotten a little bit of a &#8220;no accessibility here&#8221; reputation, and like Derek Featherstone, I&#8217;d like to show that&#8217;s not entirely the case.</p>
<p>Also, I think addressing intellectual disabilities is a LOT harder than other types.  As a sighted, physically able person, I can approximate for a little while what it&#8217;s like to be blind (close my eyes) or paralyzed (force myself to sit still).  No, these are not exact matches, but I can use those techniques to help imagine and empathize with those conditions.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s no way I know of to even begin to simulate cognitive disability.  I can&#8217;t even really imagine what it&#8217;s like to be less (or even more) intellectually capable than I am.  That&#8217;s the extra challenge I think ID advocates face, and what a Web Accessibility Project could help promote.  In that vein, I&#8217;m looking forward to what INMD produces along those lines: it&#8217;s important, and the more insight you can give us, the better!</p>
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